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scrappy New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 12-15-2003 12:31 PM
I am interested in anyone's impressions on this... We took two puppies in to the vet the other day, Sammy and Cody. They had been separate from each other almost completely. Sammy was going in for a parvo test because we suspect it, Cody because he wasn't eating (turned out to be a mysteriously irritated tongue), and the vet tech took Sammy's temp first then before we could stop him/realize what he was doing, he wiped the thermometer and took the Cody's temperature. Turns out this is common practice to use alchohol to wipe the thermometers, UNLESS, someone is alert enough to suspect parvo, then they bleach and clean them. alcohol doesn't kill parvo, or at what time duration can it kill? Sammy was fine at the breeder, breeder's pups are fine, dog contracted symptoms 8 days after seeing vet for his initial health exam after leaving the breeder. I'm praying Cody doesn't get parvo, as Sammy has already passed. I'm starting to wonder if vets are spreading parvo unintentionally????!!!! Any help or ideas? IP: Logged |
honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 12-15-2003 12:41 PM
scrappy I am sure puppies can get parvo from vets. and of coarse it is not on purpose. reading from recent posts here it looks like the incubation period is like 8-12 days. Did your sammy pass the parvo test? I sam surpised if they suspect parvo why they would be using the same thermoter. Now I am going to watch for that. Honeybear IP: Logged |
scrappy New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 12-15-2003 04:52 PM
he tested positive for parvo and i'm watching cody closely to see if he's ok, and my other puppies too who only briefly came in contact. i'm just wondering where it could have come from out of the blue? if he is the only one?? i'm afraid of vets now, want to buy my own thermometers, etc. IP: Logged |
kyles101 Member Posts: 227 |
posted 12-15-2003 05:12 PM
when i did work experience at a vet in high school they had very poor hygeine. they hardly sterilised anything. theyd just wash stuff in dishwashing soap! maybe you should ask what their protocol on that stuff is, and if its not good enough go elsewhere. IP: Logged |
scrappy New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 12-15-2003 05:15 PM
i'm considering suing them too if cody gets sick IP: Logged |
Rosie's Mom Member Posts: 36 |
posted 12-15-2003 07:17 PM
People can transmit parvo by picking up the virus on their shoes or anything that comes in contact with something infected. The virus is shed in the fecal matter of infected dogs. Another interesting thing is that some dogs can be carriers while not exhibiting symptoms. With the 7-10 day incubation period and so many other variables it's difficult to say exactly where and when a dog gets infected. As for your vet, since this is a vet tech, I would speak to the doctor or the owner of the clinic and explain the situation to them. They might be able to shed some light on why they do things the way they do. If they have no good reason you might question the quality of care your dog would get there and might want to look into another vet. IP: Logged |
puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 12-16-2003 10:38 AM
I'd like to know what the vets do to ensure no one else's pups get sick after having a parvo pup in the ISO room. What do they use to clean. Bleach. I have always wondered about that. Being they are just next door to all the healthy animals. ------------------ IP: Logged |
susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 12-17-2003 02:50 AM
That was a great question!!!! When I took Freebie in to get his first shots, I never thought about what dogs had been on that same table right before him. From now on, I'm taking my own sanitary cloths and doing it myself. And will make sure they disinfect that thermometer, or bring my own. What a great question! I would never have thought about that before now...Thanks! Susan IP: Logged |
MaydaysMom Member Posts: 260 |
posted 12-17-2003 06:30 PM
The vets office I work at dosent even let any pups with suspected parvo touch the floor. They are immediately brought into an emergency room that does not have alot of traffic. I know that whenever there is a patient that has come in with parvo, FIV, Feleuk, Corona, lepto, etc etc. That room is shut down for the rest of the day while every 15 minutes Parvosal (which is a cleaner specifically used to kill parvo) and A33 are sprayed and wiped, then sprayed and left to soak on the examination table. Again this is repeated every 15 minutes. Doctors or Vet techs who have handled these animals are no longer allowed to handle puppies in anyway for the rest of their shift. I know that the instruments used to do the exam are also dissenfected in parvasol. Most vets have a pretty good protocol. That still dosent mean that they cant contract it there. Someone walking through the waiting room could pick it up and bring it into your puppers. Thats why vaccinating against parvo is so important. IP: Logged |
puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 12-18-2003 01:11 PM
There is always the chance of someone going to the vet with a sick puppie that has no knowledge at all about parvo and would there for not have any reason to tell the info desk about it. They could very well have their pup vomit or something in the waiting room. Lord forbid that scenario. ------------------ IP: Logged |
scrappy New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 12-18-2003 02:33 PM
the protocol at my vet is that IF they believe they have a dog with parvo (upon testing i guess) they close off the room for the rest of the day and bleach it (how often i'm not sure) thermometers are 'supposed' to sit in alcohol for twenty minutes between use, but i don't see them labeled with timers, and people come in and out of the rooms all day, is there time to wait twenty minutes? my thing is that dogs can have it and not show symptoms, or a dog can come in because it is sleeping a lot, or having diarreah, or it could test negative because it is not sheddding the disease yet in its feces, how many dogs out there have diarreah and go to their vet for it? and are given albon or flagyl... and sent home to be fine and maybe they have parvo and get over it and never show major symptoms, or maybe they get it later and its too late for anyone who came in contact with the dog all dogs should be treated as if they are carriers to be safe, everything should be sanitized thoroughly thermo covers are the answer as far as i can see, until then insist on own thermometer or sanitization dogs walk on the vet floor all the time thing is, it takes a lot of work to be on top of things and vet offices i think can be sloppy because they're made up of tired human beings in a hrry to get it all done in one day my vet doesn't use disposable plastic covers on the thermometers due to cost or because they get lost in dogs' butts depending on who you talk to there apparently there are paper disposable ones for humans, wonder if they work in dogs anyway, if parvo spreads, if it is out there, how are dogs catching it?? walking down the sidewalk? some dogs are poop eaters but not all of them... sammy wasn't a poop eater. cody so far is ok fingers crossed 7 days have passed wouldn't it be tragic if vets were the main spreaders?????? IP: Logged |
Rosie's Mom Member Posts: 36 |
posted 12-19-2003 12:23 AM
You asked some questions about the virus - where does it come from, etc. Well I found this site that might be helpful to you. Has lots of info about the origin of the virus. http://www.lbah.com/Canine/Parvo.html#intro And remember, this is a virus, much like the flu virus. This means that anything coming in contact with the virus has the potential to be a carrier - like the sidewalk, the yard, the park and yeah the vet's office on occasion. The puppy doesn't have to eat poop to get the virus, just like we don't have to eat someone's snot to get the flu. Someone with the flu sneezes on their hand then hands you some papers at the office. You touch the papers then your coffee cup and bam... flu. Dog with parvo poops in the park. 2 weeks later you take your puppy there before he get's his shots and he walks over the spot. Later that night he chews on his toe nails and bam... parvo. Unfortunately parvo kills the puppies often where as we are more resilient to the flu. However, and this is a big however...don't let this make you paranoid. I would strongly caution people against becoming alarmist about this. Be concerned, be careful and most importantly, be informed. The rest you have to just leave up to your higher power. We only have control over certain things. If you've done all the right things...well, sometimes bad things happen to good people and puppies. =/ Hope this helps answer some of your questions. I do pray for the health of your puppy. [This message has been edited by Rosie's Mom (edited 12-19-2003).] [This message has been edited by Rosie's Mom (edited 12-19-2003).] IP: Logged |
squidgeyem Member Posts: 47 |
posted 12-19-2003 12:25 AM
can i just ask a a question keep seeing everyone talking about parvo? what is it? IP: Logged |
Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 12-19-2003 05:41 AM
Yes, I'm having a problem with this case as well. Read my thread the "in need of info".
Bleach will usually kill it the best, though I've heard amonia and ethonol alcohol over 8% will kill it also. So sorry to hear about your puppy sammy dieing. All my puppies had vaccinations and the last puppy actually had two in my care, and she ended up contracting parvo. She's fine now, thank goodness! But a big problem at the moment with her owner.
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scrappy New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 12-19-2003 04:24 PM
8 days since the vet tech took cody's temp with the thermo from sammy and he's doing better every day eating heartily on a raw pet food and nice poops. fingers crossed. he had two vaccinations before this, and maybe had some immunity from mom still at 11 weeks?? i just keep watching him and praying he's in the clear. i have to check it may be time for his third vaccine too. how did you treat your parvo puppy??? self or vet with IV?? IP: Logged |
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